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Post by grahamew on Sept 11, 2010 4:18:50 GMT -5
I'd love to know more about him - and Black Bull, the Brule leader of the Lakota who stayed in Canada.
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 11, 2010 5:46:07 GMT -5
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Post by ladonna on Sept 17, 2010 14:07:02 GMT -5
I have a pictures of Paul Hgh Back and also of Mary Black Moon his sister
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Post by ladonna on Jun 5, 2014 8:42:39 GMT -5
The Black Moon's have been brought up again with the family of Black moon being confused so I am repost this from Ephriam The Mnicoujou Black Moon (ca. 1821-1893) had a small band at the Little Bighorn (Vestal, Sitting Bull, p. 143). He may have been with Lame Deer in May 1877 when that headman was killed. He led his band into Canada in 1877 and was one of the last to leave. My impression is that his band broke up during the 1880-82 period. As many of the northern or non-treaty bands came in and surrendered, Black Moon held out though many of his followers did not. His daughter married one of the Mounties at Fort Walsh, perhaps added incentive for him to remain. Black Moon finally left Canada with 11 lodges in April 1889. After being intercepted by troops, he made it to the Standing Rock Agency that July. He and his family were transferred to Cheyenne River to join other Mnicoujou in October 1890. Most of his family left Cheyenne River with Big Foot and ended up at Wounded Knee. Black Moon's wife, daughter, and son were killed there; another son and other family members were wounded. Black Moon remained at Cheyenne River for the remainder of his life. He does not appear to have been a band leader during this later period. — Ephriam Dickson
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Post by ladonna on Jun 5, 2014 8:44:04 GMT -5
Black Moon Mnicoujou
Black Moon/Loves WarLeading Black Moon b. 1837 Spouse: Rattling Wind d. 1890 Spouse: Big Woman Spouse: Red Lodge Children Son White Dog Daughter: Brown Ears Daughter: Wounded Often Daughter: Taken From Her Son: Two Spears Son: Philip Black Moon b. 1879 Son: Black Cayote Son: DogSkin (Wolfskin) Necklace Son: Paul High Back b. 1870 Daughter: Mary Spotted Horse b. 1886
Leading Black Moon b. 1837 Children Son: Philip Black Moon b. 1878
Mary Spotted Horse Black Moon b. 1886 Spouse: Thomas Aspdin Children Daughter:Alice Aspdin b. 1884 Daughter:Annie Aspdin b.1887 Daughter:Katie "Blue Eye" Aspdin b. 1890
Philip Black Moon b. 1878 1st Spouse: White Cow Comes Out-Ellen Standing Bear b. 1877 2nd Spouse: Nellie Talks about Him b. 1900 Children Son: Daughter: Minnie Elsie Black Moon b. 1906 Son: Gilbert Black Moon b. 8-23-1911
Gilbert Black Moon b. 8-23-1911 d. 7-9-1960 1st Spouse: Margret Eagle Chasing b. 3-3-1918 2nd Spouse: Magdalena Lena Bear Stop b. 8-13-1920 Children Son: Rufus Black Moon b.6-7-1932 Daughter: Norma Black Moon b. 1938 Son: Thomas Black Moon b. 1951 d. 1997 Son: David Black Moon Son: Gabe Black Moon Son: Norvan Black Moon
Minnie Elsie Black Moon b. 1906 Spouse: Andrew Kingmen b.
Thomas Black Moon b. 1951 d. 1997 Spouse: Authureen Garnette b. 6-16-1956 d. 12-28-1997
Loves War b. 1832 Spouse: White Cow b. 1852 Children Son: Wounded by Ree b. 1875 Son: Wounded Near -James Loves War b. 1879 Son: Bird Ernest Loves War b. 1881 Son: Just Comes Home Alive b. 1885 Son: Wounded with Many Arrows b. 1892 Son: Narcissi Loves War b. 1895
Wounded Near -James Loves War b. 1878 d. 9-10-1943 1st Spouse: Dora Comes Out Noisy Four Fingers b. 1881 d. 3-31-1926 2nd Spouse: Spouse: Kate Bloody Knife b. 1882 Children Daughter: Julia Loves War b. 1901 d. 10-13-1961 Daughter: Elizabeth Eliza Loves War b. 7-3-1903 d. 5-12-1968 Daughter: Ellen Loves War b. 1906 d. 1915 Daughter: Lucy Loves War b. 1908 Son: James Loves War b. 4-7-1914 Son: Vine Loves War b. 2-20-1920 d. 7-17-1967 Son: Ardmore Loves War b. 11-7-1921 d. 3-26-1927 Step daughter: Madeline Howard Loves War b. 10-5-1911 d. 12-20-1970
George Love War b. 1895 d. 10-1-1918
Henry/Harry Loves war b. 6-25-1891 d.5-5-1981 Spouse: Jessie Water b. 1899 Children Son: Joesph Loves War b. 4-13-1928 Son: Romaine Love War b. 6-8-1930 d. 1963 Daughter: Bertha Loves War b. 5-2-1932 d. 7-17-1940 Daughter: Maxine Loves war b. 4-9-1935 d. 8-3-1990
Louis/Lewis Loves War b. 1886 d. 1-3-1962 Spouse: Mary Eagle b. 1884 Children Daughter: Nellie Eagle b. 5-27-1916 Daughter: Eugenia Loves War b. 5-20-1918
Julia Loves War b. 1901 Spouse: John Arthur Little Dog b. 3-29-1900 Children Daughter: Ramona Little Dog b. 9-3-1921 Daughter: Irene Little Dog b. 8-2-1928 Daughter: Beatrice Little Dog b. 4-4-1931 Son: Rueben little Dog b. 8-2-1932 Son: Emerson Little Dog b. 11-17-1934 Daughter: Marcella Little Dog b. 7-28-1936
Elizabeth Loves War b. 1903 Spouse: Luke Black Eagle
Madeline Howard Loves War b. 10-5-1911 d. 12-20-1970 Spouse: James Distribute b. 12-19-1911 Children Daughter: Amelia Distribute b. 1-3-1932 Daughter: Glorietta Hermaine Distribute b. 6-23-1929 d. 7-16-1961
Eliza Loves War b. 4-22-1911 Spouse: Luke Eagleman Jr. b. 12-9-1906 Children Daughter: Glenda Eagleman b. 1-14 1937
Kate Howard b. 12-22-1904 Children Daughter: Bernice Loves war b. 6-17-1927
Lester Loves War b. 1-16-1927 d. 2-13-1927
Norman Joseph Loves War b. 4-13-1928 d. 7-7-2001
Victor Loves War b. 4-5-1937 d. 7-77-1939 Winfield Loves War b. 1914 d. 9-8-1944 Ernest Loves War b. 12-16-1941 d. 4-3-1992 Judith Loves War b. 9-28-1922 d. 10-11-1922 Winfield James Loves War b. 5-14-1945 d. 8-27-1968
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Post by ephriam on Jun 16, 2014 15:00:05 GMT -5
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Post by dT on Jun 23, 2014 13:21:38 GMT -5
interesting cmments. Ephriam - I will try to read your pdf. I wonder what caused people like Black Moon to eventually return south? it seems as though he could have continued to move west and north in Canada ... and who could really find those bands out there?
I wonder if there were Miniconjou "renegades" who never surrendered, and acted as lone wolves (or single family units) and just kept hiding in Canada indefinitely? Such people would be like the "Bronco Apaches" who continued to live in Mexico after the surrender of Geronimo.
Pete (dT)
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Post by gregor on Jul 7, 2014 3:02:06 GMT -5
Lately I was a little busy with the topics "Sioux in Canada" and "Canadian Natives". Until then I always thought that the fate of the Natives in Canada was better than that of the Indians in the United States. But far from it! I recently found the following essay by Sarah Carter (University of Calgary) on the Internet: "Categories and Terrains of Exclusion: Constructing the" Indian Woman "in the Early Settlement Era in Western Canada". digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1763&context=greatplainsquarterlyI had to learn that the Canadians were not any better than the Americans, at least after 1880. Contracts have been signed, but promised land was not assigned to the natives. Furthermore, the Canadians were very resourceful in enacting laws to exclude the Indians and Metis of the "civilization" and the markets of the cities. The validity of mixed marriages according to "the custom of the country" had been upheld in Canadian courts earlier in the nineteenth century. This changed with the influential 1886 ruling in Jones v. Fraser. The judge ruled that the court would not accept that "the cohabitation of a civilized man and a savage woman, even for a long period of time, gives rise to the presumption that they consented to be married in our sense of marriage". In addition, a supreme court ruled that children from mixed marriages were excluded of the legal succession. Indian wives could only inherit when a "moral conduct" was attested. And who decided what was “moral”? Naturally white officials. And until 1921, a legislative proposal has been discussed, which would have meant that an "illicit connection" between a white man and an Indian woman would have been a punishable offense. The amendment was not passed, as it was argued that this could make unsuspecting white men the " victims" of Indian women who would blackmail them. Crazy Canada!
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Post by gregor on Jul 7, 2014 3:26:00 GMT -5
And here a Text of Ziebach Co., SD History (1982) - pages 620 – 639 with regard to Mary Blackmoon Aspdin and her daughters:
CHRIS and KATE ASPDIN WILLIAMS
The battle of the Little Bighorn River took place in southern Montana in 1876. Angered Indians, led by Sitting Bull, gathered a force of as many as one thousand, perhaps four thousand, and annihilated General Custer and his entire command, …………….. Imagine, if you can, their fury at being confined to a reservation, then the terror they felt after the battle as to the reprisals which might be taken. They feared extradition to another and far removed section of the Country.
The Black Moon family from Bridger country fled to the area of Moose Jaw in the North West Territories of Canada shortly afterward, arriving in 1877. Mary Black Moon, a girl of sixteen at the time of the Custer Massacre, was in the group. There was also a sister, Two Spotted Horses and her brother, Phillip Black Moon. A result of their sojourn in Canada was the marriage of Mary to Tom Aspdin, a North West Mounted Policeman in the Territory of Canada. To them were born four children, one did not survive. There were three little girls, Alice, Annie and then Kate.
Shortly thereafter Tom Aspdin passed away and since fighting and terror had subsided, the family returned to the Bridger and Cherry Creek area by team and wagon, Kate just a babe in arms having been born August 14, 1893. They carried a letter from the office of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs granted them safe passage and a welcome from the Indian Agent at Ft. Peck and other officials of the U.S. Indian or Military Services. It is dated May 7, 1894. In the party was "Mama, widow of Black Moon": two daughters and a son, Phillip Black Moon; a grandson, Peter Black Moon who passed away in the Bridger country before 1920; and three little daughters of Mary Black Moon Aspdin, Alice (Lafferty), Annie and Kate (Williams). It should be noted that the year of Kate's birth could not be ascertained. She had always known August 14 as her birthday, but the year was elusive. The date finally decided upon was 1893. Her Indian name was Blue Eyes.
Alice married Walter Lafferty. They had one daughter, Eleanor Thompson, Fort Pierre.
Annie Aspdin had been engaged to marry Moses Clown, who was a soldier in France in World War I. He did not recover from wounds received and Annie remained single until her death.The early nomadic nature of the tribe seems to be apparent in this story. There was more than one trip made back and forth from the region of Moose Jaw to the Bridger-Cherry Creek area.
At any rate, in 1914 Kate graduated from the National School of Business in the North West Territory and worked as a secretary in Regina and Weyburn. Then she was sent by a ministry to Vancouver Island where she worked as a teacher. The climate affected her health and upon returning to the prairie country of Canada she felt better. She again went to Vancouver Island but poor health forced her to go back to the prairies of Regina where the climate was drier. Kate met the young Chris Williams probably about 1912. They were acquainted before he went into the army of World War I in 1914. Upon his return in 1919 he courted Kate and while in uniform, attended a dance at the Wally Knight residence south of Dupree in honor of the safe return of Paul Widow from the war.
Kate and Chris were married December 4, 1920 in the Presbyterian Church at Regina. He then worked in an elevator at Estlin, south of Regina. During this time their two sons, Ramon and Maurice, were born at the General Hospital in Regina. In 1926 the family came to Lantry, South Dakota where Chris managed the Bagley Elevator. They later ranched northwest of Dupree, and upon retirement lived in Eagle Butte. Kate passed away in 1971.
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Post by gregor on Jul 7, 2014 13:32:49 GMT -5
These photos reportedly show Mary Blackmoon Aspdin (one with her daughters and a white lady) Toksha ake Gregor
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Post by rboytiger on Jul 14, 2014 22:16:40 GMT -5
ladonna, i am robert tiger jr., parents are robert bobtail tiger and alice yellow hammer/red elk. emma lecaine (owns two horse is my great great grandmother from wood mountain. her father was loves war, her mother was, i am guessing, black moons daughter. emma married a mounty named archibauld lecaine. they had one daughter whose name is Alice. emma remarried okute sica and had five other children also using the lecaine last name, my great grandmother alice lecaine married jerome iron necklace of standing rock. from them came my grandmother theresa iron necklace/yellow hammer. i am wondering if this info i have is correct. there is no mention of alice lecaine at standing rock. i also find no info on jerome iron necklace. can you possibly find info? what band was he hunkpapa or sihsapa? any family info would help. i might have been mistakenly claiming hunkpapa, should be mniconjou? alice lecaine (mahto) is buried in little eagle and has any relatives there. i know she hunka'd clayton brown otter.
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Post by kakarns on Dec 28, 2014 0:25:18 GMT -5
Just something of interest, I ran across while reading. Notice the "Blackmoon" listed in the paragraph below.
"Among the cowboys working for the NSS were Chauncey Johnson, A. E. Ewing, wagon boss in 1887, Kid Rich, and Blackmoon who broke horses for the outfit. At age 15, Irish Tommy Condon was brought from Fort Pierre to the Cheyenne River by Narcelle."
Narcisse Narcelle - Ranch headquarters was located on Cherry Creek. NNS was the brand of Narcisse Narcelle a French-Indian whose herd was one of the first and the largest in the west river area.
I will perhaps never know who the Black Moon was that worked for Narcisse. My first thought was maybe Philip Black Moon ?
A couple of other things I find of interest is: a.) From LaDonna's lineage list above, a son of "Loves War" was named; Narcissi Loves War. b.) From Ephriam's "Black Moon: The Minnecoujou Leader", Ephriam states; (on pg.5, para. 5): "Black Moon lived the remainder of his life along Cherry Creek on the Cheyenne River Reservation."
Reference concerning Narcisse Narcelle: Theodore "Junior" Rousseau
kakarns
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Post by ladonna on Jan 5, 2015 15:03:01 GMT -5
Iron Necklace Zuya Tehin-Loves War Spouse: Children Daughter: Emma Love War
Tasunka nupawin-Emma Love War b. 1868 1st Spouse: Archibald Lecaine b. Children Daughter: Alice Lecaine b. 1888-Canada
Tasunka nupawin-Emma Love War b. 1868 2nd Spouse: Okute Sice Children Son: Walter Lecaine b. Son: John Lecaine Son: Charles Lecaine b.1893 Daughter: Elizabeth Lecainen b. 1895 Son: George Lecaine b. 1914 d. 1977
Mazanapin-Eugene Iron Necklace b. 1868 d. 5-29-1908 Spouse: Keyaiglutawin-Louise b. 1864 d. 9-6-1947 Children Step Son: Psatwaagle-Brings Horses-Jerome Iron necklace b. 1880 Step Daughter: Wicakahuga Iron Necklace b. 1883 Daughter: Eva Iron Necklace b. 1892 Daughter: Elizabeth Iron Necklace b. 1893 d. 1-22-1908 Son: Thomas Iron Necklace b. 1896 Daughter: Jennie Iron Necklace b. 1900 Son: Jake Iron Necklace b. 1904
Psatwaagle-Brings Horses-Jerome Iron Necklace b. 1880 Spouse: Alice Lecaine b. 1888-Canada Children Daughter: Florence Iron Necklace b. 2-12-1914 d. 11-19-1994 Daughter: Theresa Iron Necklace b. 5-22-1911 d. 5-8-1965 Son: Thomas Iron necklace b. 10-7-1915 d. 12-1-1992 Son: Clayton Iron Necklace b. 1-1-1917 d. 11-16-1954 Son: Lang Iron Necklace b. 10-13-1918 d. 3-10-1985
Alice Lecaine b. 1888-Canada 2nd Spouse: James Howard b. 1882 Children Son: Carter Howard b. 5-28-1918 Step Daughter: Florence Iron Necklace b. 2-12-1914 d. 11-19-1994 Step Daughter: Theresa Iron Necklace b. 5-22-1911 d. 5-8-1965 Step Son: Thomas Iron necklace b. 10-7-1915 d. 12-1-1992 Step Son: Clayton Iron Necklace b. 1-1-1917 d. 11-16-1954 Step Son: Lang Iron Necklace b. 10-13-1918 d. 3-10-1985
Theresa Iron Necklace b. 5-22-1911 d. 5-8-1965 Spouse: Martin Yellowhammer b. 5-20-1902 Children Son: Lang Yellow Hammer b. 5-2-1933 d. 1-29-1995 Son: Paul Yellow Hammer b. 6-12-1934 Daughter: Shirley Yellow Hammer b. 8-23-1936 Son: Walter Yellow Hammer b. 12-7-1938 Daughter: Arbutus Yellow Hammer b. 1940
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