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Post by frank on Sept 9, 2010 8:34:18 GMT -5
AGAIN....  I know that I've asked this before (sometime) but I gotta ask again because I have totally forgotten... so here goes: 1. Is this guy on the pic Cheyenne called Alights On The Cloud? 2. If he is... according to Grinnel he died back in 1852...could have this picture been taken before that? 3. Who took the picture? Soule? 4. Were Alights On The Cloud and Man On A Cloud brothers? 5. ...and finally, does anyone know a book where I could read more about him? Thanks and forgive me. -Frank Attachments:
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Post by gregor on Sept 10, 2010 3:28:03 GMT -5
Hi Frank, this should be Alights-On-A-Cloud. At the Smithsonian Institution/SIRIS this Cheyenne is interchangeable called Alights-On-A-Cloud or Man-On-A-Cloud. Here is a Daguerreotype of the notorious Lola Montez with Alights-On-A-Cloud  This must have been shot between 1851 and 1853. At that time Lola toured the eastern States in the U.S. with a "Bavarian dance show" or so. Gregor |
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Post by frank on Sept 10, 2010 11:09:35 GMT -5
Right. I dunno why I wrote on THE clous when I of course ment on A cloud. Thanks.
So, is Cheyenne Man-On-A-Cloud his brother? Alights-On-A-Cloud cant be the same guys as Cheynne named Man-On-A-Cloud is in the picture with Mad Wolf...so if you know that picture, is that guy Alights-On-A-Cloud's brother? d**n I got mixed up...
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Post by frank on Sept 10, 2010 11:11:36 GMT -5
Awesome picture by the way. THANKS!
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 11, 2010 6:59:33 GMT -5
Hi Frank,
great you´re back!
Yes, Alights On A Cloud had brothers, one of them inherited his name and went under Man On A Cloud. There are several photographs of him, one with Mad Wolf as you mentioned, when he visited Carlisle Indian School around 1880. Other portraits were taken some years later.
The 1851/1852 photos above were taken during Alights delegation trip. He died the following summer.
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Post by frank on Sept 11, 2010 7:32:48 GMT -5
Hey Dietmar! Ive been away a while and propably still am sometime, but I keep on folowing the board occasionally! I wont disappear totally, its a promise ! So far almost only book that Ive found that mentions Alights or tells about him is Grinnels Fighting Cheyennes. Do you know any moe books that tell about Alights? Thanks! |
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 11, 2010 9:37:41 GMT -5
Far too early to be Soule.
tk
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 11, 2010 15:22:18 GMT -5
The first photograph of Alights On A Cloud was likely taken by John H. Fitzgibbon at St. Louis in 1852.
Frank, the best source of Alights On A Cloud and his death by Pawnee warriors is probably Father P.J. Powell´s "People of the Sacred Mountain". You can find shorter but similar descriptions in books of Stan Hoig and George Hyde ("The Pawnee Indians").
Btw, Man-on-a-Cloud is said to had been his youngest brother. Other brothers include Iron Shirt and Medicine Water, who was the Cheyenne leader later imprisoned in Fort Marion, Florida.
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Post by frank on Sept 11, 2010 17:37:01 GMT -5
Excellent! Thanks Dietmar. Now only wish more that someone would write a biography on Little Wolf the Cheyenne .Thanks man. |
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Post by gmslaughter on Oct 15, 2011 16:25:41 GMT -5
This was taken in El Reno, OK, and captioned "Cloud Chief." We are talking about the same individual, right? Or a brother or similar relative? Attachments:
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Post by gmslaughter on Oct 15, 2011 16:27:10 GMT -5
This portrait of Cloud Chief was taken some time later, still in El Reno. Attachments:
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Post by shatonska on Sept 13, 2012 14:52:20 GMT -5
Man on a Cloud was brother to Alights on Cloud , while Man RIDING on a Cloud was the son of Alights on Cloud but who was Cloud Chief ? He has an almost identical face as Alights on Cloud all 3 are almost of the same age by the 1887 census www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~itcheyen/1887CheyenneCensus.htmlhome.epix.net/~landis/manonacloud.html(Note: Standing Bird family Oral History states: Man on Cloud #2078 was born in 1852 in the Dakotas the same year his brother, Alights on Cloud, (father of Man Riding on a Cloud #20), was killed by the (Wolf People) Pawnee Man on Cloud #2078, Iron Shirt #2080, Alights on Cloud, and their nephew, Man riding on a Cloud #20, were all Cheyenne Chiefs) these two were chief as Cloud Chief but i found only photos of two out of the three no photo of Man Riding on a Cloud is it possible (even if census list 3) that Cloud Chief is Man Riding on a Cloud ? resemblance between Alights on Cloud and Cloud Chief is huge , father and son ? |
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Post by shatonska on Sept 27, 2012 10:31:44 GMT -5
Cloud Chief Wo-e-ve-ho/Cloud Chief, 55, full blood, chey., husb., married 1870, parents Kidney, dead, and Yellow Woman, dead; Wo-o-neeha-hi-e/Howling White, 46, full blood, wife, parents Bull Bear, dead, and Pipe Woman, dead. O-gus/Tom Cloud Chief,/Bear Belly, 10, full blood, son. from home.epix.net/~landis/bullbear.html |
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