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Post by colleen on Aug 25, 2010 1:59:00 GMT -5
Last year on vacation in the Black Hills area I stopped at the new Black Hills Visitor Center at Rapid City, SD. To my dismay the picture they had prominently displayed as Chief Big Foot was in fact Big Foot, the Oglala. I discussed this with the curator of the visitor center and was told research had gone into the photos displayed. She felt they were accurate photos of the various Indian chiefs.
This year when visiting the Wounded Knee Museum at Wall, SD, I was shocked to see a large picture of Big Foot, the Oglala, indicating he was Chief Big Foot. On the Wounded Knee Museum website a picture of Big Foot, the Oglala, is used.
Both pictures were labeled Chief Big Foot instead of Chief Spotted Elk.
What can be done about this?
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 27, 2010 1:57:19 GMT -5
Colleen,
welcome to our boards. Hope you like it here.
Well, Big Foot the Oglala has caused much confusion. We have stated here years ago that the Gardner portraits of 1872 do not show the Mniconjou Big Foot/Spotted Elk, but it´s hard to correct that error because this picture has been published for decades under a wrong label. Nowadays the internet also has spreaded the Gardner photo as Mniconjou.
I´m not really sure what to do about it other than to write what we think is right. I will try to gather what I can find about the Oglala Big Foot over the weekend, perhaps others can help, too.
Best wishes
Dietmar
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Post by colleen on Aug 27, 2010 3:52:01 GMT -5
Dietmar Thanks for your response. I was hoping someone on this site might know a Mniconjou elder or historian who could set the record straight. It is truly sad that the Wounded Knee Museum does not have the right picture of Chief Spotted Elk on display. What a disgrace.
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Post by hreinn on Jul 27, 2014 8:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by calvinspottedelk on Jan 11, 2015 12:01:02 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that picture. I try to make it as clear as possible, but most people don't have the same level of interest in accuracy as I do because he was my grandfather. I don't have that website anymore, Couldn't afford to maintain it. If people want to reach me, they can via email @ calvinspottedelk ( at yahoo.com)
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Post by calvinspottedelk on Jan 11, 2015 12:33:08 GMT -5
Colleen, welcome to our boards. Hope you like it here. Well, Big Foot the Oglala has caused much confusion. We have stated here years ago that the Gardner portraits of 1872 do not show the Mniconjou Big Foot/Spotted Elk, but it´s hard to correct that error because this picture has been published for decades under a wrong label. Nowadays the internet also has spreaded the Gardner photo as Mniconjou. I´m not really sure what to do about it other than to write what we think is right. I will try to gather what I can find about the Oglala Big Foot over the weekend, perhaps others can help, too. Best wishes Dietmar Hi Dietmar. The Oglala Bigfoot went by the name Ste Si Tanka (Lame Big Foot) He apparently had a foot injury. I often hear stories about how "Bigfoot got his name" but it is not the story my father and other relatives told me. I believe people have also confused the Oglala Bigfoot story of how he got his name with my grandfather, as well, since the story refers to a foot injury. The Oglala Bigfoot (Ste Si Tanka) was married to a woman by the name of White Horse Owner (Sunkaka Yuha). In the Red Cloud delegation photographs at Yale she was referred to as White Hawk. They had two sons Mato Ota (Plenty Bear) and John Sixfeathers (married Her Road, whose probate records I have copies of) All of this Oglala family is buried at a cemetery in Allen, South Dakota. Bigfoot died nine years after Wounded Knee. He was a friendly to the government, as was his son Plenty Bear. There are many articles written about the Oglala Bigfoot and his relationship with the government at that time. I have copies of them in my files. In addition to this, there are court records in which Plenty Bear gives a deposition regarding Lone Horn (who was my grandfather Chief Spotted Elk/Bigfoot's father) He confirms who his father was and that he was Oglala and that his father was the headman of the Oglala. He said that Lone Horn had no right to treat for the Black Hills. It might be overlooked by someone not familiar enough with our lineage but this is something important because Lone Horn was Minneconjou, not Oglala. There were disagreements between those Oglala and the Minneconjou in the North who signed the treaties. The ones who signed the treaties were my ancestors. Lone Horn, Spotted Elk and She Elk Voice Walking. Bigfoot (Ste Sitanka) did not sign the treaty at Fort Laramie. Although many Lakota people today think the photographs of the Oglala Bigfoot were my great great grandfather, they were not. This is why I have tried so hard to tell people the history. Not only do they have the wrong name, they use the wrong photographs when they believe they are honoring my grandfather. There is no easy way to clear this up. I just hope that any researchers would try to contact me before they print another book.
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Post by charlie on Mar 4, 2015 10:25:26 GMT -5
I have read that Ste Si Tanka (Oglala) was very closed to chief High Wolf. This last belonged to the Oyuhpe band. May be that also Ste Si Tanka belonged too that band?
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Post by claudio on Aug 8, 2015 8:05:34 GMT -5
Hi friends! I would ask if there are others known photographs of Spotted Elk/Big Foot. I found this (in attachment) unfortunately in low resolution, but I'm not sure whether it's a certified image. Thank you. Claudio
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 8, 2015 15:04:50 GMT -5
Claudio, we've been through this one several times, this is an Oglala headman named Big Foot. he is not the same as the Miniconjou Big Foot, or Spotted Elk, killed in the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890.
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Post by claudio on Aug 8, 2015 18:19:33 GMT -5
Thank you so much kingsleybray , in this case the only known portrait it is below. It's correct? (Obviously with the exception of the terrible image taken in the Wounded Knee battlefield) Attachments:
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 9, 2015 2:45:53 GMT -5
There is another group shot of the Cheyenne River Agency delegation members in 1875, including Spotted Elk seated next to his adoptive father Lone Horn.
There is a also a group shot of the 1888 Cheyenne River Agency delegation to Washington, again with Spotted Elk.
And in the shots of the Grass Dance performed near his camp in August 1890, he is visible. All these pictures are on American-tribes. Sorry, my tech-y skills aren't great in loading them. I'm sure Dietmar or Diane will help out!
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Post by claudio on Aug 9, 2015 3:51:27 GMT -5
Great! Thanks again for help. I'm in order to conclude a research about facts and people involved in the tragedy of Wounded Knee and any image and informations is precious for me.
Ciao, Claudio.
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Post by gregor on Aug 9, 2015 9:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by claudio on Aug 9, 2015 16:58:35 GMT -5
Dear Gregor, I'm very grateful to you for the link you have posted. Is really e wonderful thread and very useful for me. Thank you again.
Claudio
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Post by gregor on Aug 10, 2015 4:50:49 GMT -5
My pleasure! Gregor
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