Isatai or Quenatosavit

[Dietmar]

According to James L. Haley in "The Buffalo War" (New York, 1976) the Kiowa Loud Talker aka Atah-lah-te was also known as Feather Head. he is shown in this group photo:






Feather Head, Kiowa

[tkavanagh]

I think I would agree that this could be the Naishan Dine Tankoytike, aka White Man. OTOH, Horrors P. Jones is not in the pic.

[tkavanagh]

This is a Soule photo [this is Yale's copy #10493321]. I don't know who "Ermoke" was, nor why Ahtolah (Agency spelling) would be among his "bodyguard." Who knows where Haley got his IDs


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[tkavanagh]

I just got word from a Comanche photo historian in re the above QP pic: seated at left is indeed Soddyteka; the man seated next to him is ... [wait for it}
Hitohovit, Black Crow.

Hitohovit was a Nokoni local band leader, about the same age as Quanah. It was to him (and Tuhuyaquahip) that some of the last "out" Comanches (including Asewaynah/Rudolph Fisher) were released in May 1877.

Although he (apparently) is in this photo with Quanah and Permamsu, in May 1884, he did attend an anti-Quanah council at which they "decided to throw Quanah and Permamsu away," and he signed the resulting petition.

Ah, politics.

He died in March 1892.

tk
Esimotso

[tkavanagh]

To further confuse matters: I've been check my files, and my thought process, and have realized that the above pix of "Casper Mowway Tissoyo" is NOT a Lenny and Sawyers.
[And, of course, we are now questioning whether it really is Casper (i.e, if the man in the QP pic, who looks a lot like him is Hitovit, is that pipc of Hitohovit as well?)

tk
Esimotso

[Dietmar]

Tom, do you mean this Black Crow?:


Rudolph Fischer & Black Crow


I got this portrait of Casper Tissoyo from Ebay:

[tkavanagh]

Seems so.

DeVenney = Sam DeVenney (Comanche), good friend.

tk
Esimotso

[mark2dgs]

In march of 1878, the gunsmith Engelbert Krauskopf sent a photograph of Rudolph Fischer to congressman Gustav Schleicher, who had apparently helped arrange Rudolphs return from Fort Sill to Fredericksburg..
Read this a couple of years ago in Scott Zesch's book "The Captives". Curious to know if it was a yet unknown photograph of Rudolph, I tried to track it down. No luck yet.
I realise that this is a Isatai-Quenatosavit thread, but as Black Crow and Rudolph show up in the thread I shall risk it ;-)
To my thinking, they could have photographed him in Fredericksburg, as they seem to report on him often enough, while he was there 1877/78.
The known photograph of Rudolph and Black Crow I would guess to have been taken after his return to the reservation?

[ccmilam]

Dr. Kavanagh, or whom-ever might know. Where is Quenatosavit/Isatai buried?

thank you in advance

Clarence Milam

[grahamew]

Better late than never, I suppose...


Back - a heftier and older Isatai and Black Horse
Front - Rudolf Fischer/Grey Blanket and Quanah Parker.
If this is Fischer, he's clearly older than in the other photo, which is dated 1878, though I suspect it's about ten years later. Maybe early - mid-1890s

[Dietmar]

I´ve seen the man seated on left also identified as Wild Horse.

[grahamew]

Have to admit, the man's pointed nose looks more like Wild Horse's than the man in the other photo of Fischer:



Looking closer, you can see he's wearing the same necklace, so it is Wild Horse, not Fischer.

[grahamew]

And, in fact, here he is (ignore the written annotation) a few years earlier wearing the same necklace as in the Isatai photo:

[Dietmar]

I totally agree. Here are the only portraits of Rudolph Fischer I know: