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Post by carlo on Jul 27, 2010 16:42:25 GMT -5
Ran into an excellent ledger collection by Red Hawk, Oglala Lakota, at the Milwaukee Public Museum website: www.mpm.edu/collections/artifacts/anthropology/ledger/collection/The following men contributed to the ledger book (spelling is not mine): Zuyaterila (Tough Soldier) Tasunke Witko (His Crazy Horse) Cetan Wa miniyomini(?) (Whirlwind Hawk) Matonajiu (Standing Bear) Unklekiraska (White Magpie) Matoniyaluta (Red Living Bear) Cetaniyotake (Sitting Hawk) Mato Wanapeya (Scares the Bear) Running Deer Little Shield Cetanluta (Red Hawk) Wakinyano ranko (Quick Thunder) Wiyaluaofra Zan(?) (Shows the Feather) Kangi Wanbli (Eagle Crow) Ki Sunsui(?) (No Braid) Wahacankaska (White Shield) Cetan Wankatuyo (High Hawk) Pte Wakannajiu (Holy Standing Buffalo) Wakinyan Witko (Crazy Thunder) Itkaminyanke Mato Huka Kagisui yanke Do we have anything on the lesser-known of these Oglala? Other translations? They would have been warriors in the 1870's. Carlo
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Post by rodthomas on Aug 27, 2010 12:21:26 GMT -5
Carlo, this is a wonderful ledger collection although the book itself was broken up a few decades ago and individual pages were either traded to other museums for artifacts to enhance MPM collections or sold to raise funds (both fairly common practices by the way). I found this out while researching Rubbing Out Long Hair and was tracking down the Red Hawk drawing about the death of a Crow scout and a Lakota warrior, Black White Man. That drawing was traded to a museum in the east and was then sold by that museum. It was offered on auction a few years back and the whereabouts is not known.
A few weeks ago I was in Phoenix on business and went to the Heard Museum to see the White Swan muslin painting (also in my book) and their colleciton of ledger or pictograph art. In that collection was a drawing by "One Scalp" and guess where it came from? Yep...the Red Hawk ledger. There is only one publication about the ledger and it is from the MPM.
We've potentially located a few others from the Red Hawk ledger and our research continues to verify. Let me know if you need anything else about this collection although this is about it.
Please have a great day...
Regards, Rod Thomas...
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Post by grahamew on Aug 28, 2010 4:08:07 GMT -5
Did MPM photograph all the plates before it was broken up, or are the pictures on their site all they have left?
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Post by carlo on Aug 28, 2010 13:50:44 GMT -5
Thank you, Rod, very interesting additional information on the ledger.
I came across the MPM website while searching for ledger drawings depicting encounters between Lakota and Crows. Red Hawk's ledger contains many wonderful drawings on this subject, but unfortunately it's extremely difficult - if not impossible - to connect the drawings to a specific location, date, or battle. Any details you may have found would be very helpful!
Re. the One Scalp drawing, did you make a picture of it or is there one online?
Thank you,
Carlo
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Post by rodthomas on Aug 30, 2010 10:08:58 GMT -5
What is on the website now does not include the items traded or sold. The Red Hawk drawing about the LBH oddly enough WAS on the website until taken off after the staff realized they no longer had the actual image. The MPM store still has the set of some thirty drawings for sale in which six, as near as I can tell, are no longer at the MPM. Apparently the original acquisition photographs (b/w only!) are not located or at least located a few years back when I was researching the provenance.
As for the One Scalp drawing at the Heard, I am awaiting a low resolution copy for further research.
Other than the one drawing I think is of the LBH, I've not done any research on the others. It's on my list of research while I do keep a watch for the other drawings.
Regards, Rod...
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Post by carlo on Jul 5, 2011 15:44:24 GMT -5
Here is one of the Red Hawk ledger drawings that is not in the collection of the MPM anymore. It is unfortunately a redrawn copy, but fascinating nonetheless. “Crow Kills One Sioux and is Killed by Sioux - Cetanluta (Red Hawk)”The dramatic drawing depicts Cetan Luta, Red Hawk, in battle with the Crows. Red Hawk kills the Crow warrior who just shot and killed his comrade next to him. The resolution is too low to read the comrade's name in the top left corner. Carlo
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Post by rodthomas on Aug 16, 2011 14:18:40 GMT -5
Carlo, here is a clearer image of the Red Hawk drawing. Regards, Rod... Attachments:
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Post by carlo on Aug 16, 2011 15:21:46 GMT -5
Great, thank you Rod! So this is the drawing you were chasing earlier, depicting the wounding of Wasichu Sapa (Black White Man) at the LBH, who later died of his wounds. Black White Man was by all known accounts an Oglala, so do we know why his marker on the battlefield lists him as Miniconjou? See: www.friendslittlebighorn.com/blackwhitemanmarker.htmCarlo
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Post by rodthomas on Aug 17, 2011 13:28:18 GMT -5
Carlo, thanks...I've included the Red Hawk chapter from Rubbing Out Long Hair for information. Since publication several folks have posited this drawing is or is not about the LBH. Even split. I'm keeping it in the LBH "pile" for now if only to encourage further research. Please cite "Red Hawk", Rubbing Out Long Hair: The American Indian Story of the Little Big Horn in Art and Word, Elk Plain Press, 2009, pages 125-126. I've not been able to find more than one person named Wasicun Sapa (Black Wasicu or Black White Man) identified in any literature other than Black Elk's cousin. Kicking Bear's painting identifies a "Black White Man" dying on the western slopes of the last stand area. I have no idea why the Miniconjou affiliation when everything suggests Oglala. John Doerner, the Chief Historian at the National Monument is now retired and I've not been able to talk with him lately. I've only got a low resolution image of the Red Hawk at the Heard. My research schedule is such that I'll probably start on these in earnest next year (got to get White Swan done!) but at least you'll have this to start. I'll send it in a follow on email. Regards, Rod... Attachments:
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Post by rodthomas on Aug 17, 2011 13:30:58 GMT -5
Carlo, here is the Heard image from the Red Hawk ledger. Joyce Szabo first identified it as by Red Hawk. Regards, Rod... Attachments:
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Post by carlo on Aug 17, 2011 17:09:44 GMT -5
Rod, I'm a bit embarrassed to admit it, but since I do own a copy of your book, I must have completely overlooked the chapter on Red Hawk & Black White Man plus the actual drawing! Thanks for pointing me to it... And thank you for posting the One Scalp image. Btw, detailed information on Red Hawk can be found here: amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=oglala1&action=display&thread=803Carlo
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Post by rodthomas on Aug 18, 2011 16:13:09 GMT -5
Carlo, thanks and double thanks for purchasing the book. Thanks for also posting the link on Red Hawk. Now that I'm "retired" one of my projects to go through this site and learn! Great stuff and information will make futher research more meaningful.
Regards, Rod...
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Post by kingsleybray on Mar 14, 2013 8:35:25 GMT -5
thanks for these fantastic images, grahamew.
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Post by grahamew on Mar 14, 2013 14:12:53 GMT -5
W. Ben Hunt of Indian Crafts and Lore fame. I remember my friends and I looking longingly at our nearest telegraph pole after reading his instructions on how to make a totem pole. Perhaps it was that point when we switched our allegiance to Plains Indians!
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Post by carlo on Mar 18, 2013 9:33:13 GMT -5
These are great, very nice to see them in such detail. Keep 'm coming Grahame!
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